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Jay Essman's avatar

A few random thoughts on Minnesota:

1) In Germany after WWII, approximately 200,000 Jews (including my mother's family) were housed in displaced persons camps at any given time. They were treated humanely and housed in family units. In the US today, roughly 70,000 people are in ICE detention facilities at any given time, are subject to inhumane treatment and are routinely separated from family members. Why can't the US treat a relatively small number of illegal immigrants with dignity? Because our government wants to make an example of them? No, they're not concentration camps, but surely we should treat people in unfortunate circumstances with basic humanity. And our congresspeople should be able to monitor the detention centers without undue obstacles UNLESS ICE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE.

2) For the life of me, I can't understand what Alex Pretti hoped to accomplish by bringing a gun with him to protest ICE. Under what circumstances would he have drawn the weapon? Since he did not draw the weapon and was carrying it legally, it has no bearing on his murder by ICE officers, but I do wonder. He had it in the video taken 11 days earlier as well, so it was not a response to that incident.

3) Yes, murder. He was shot in the back while on all fours on the ground, completely helpless. Then he was shot 4 more times while lying motionless, face up. That is murder in my book. Under normal circumstances, a public trial would offer the officers who shot him an opportunity to explain and defend their actions. Anything less is a miscarriage of justice.

4) Did Pretti really have two extra magazines with him? I have not seen them in any of the bystander video or photos released by the administration. Was that another piece of Trump-era propaganda, or alternative facts, designed to smear a political opponent? If it was true, why not show the evidence?

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Well put as always. There are so many things that are thought to be true that aren't. Ice is not a Gestapo or an illegal army. It is a federal force designed to detain potentially dangerous illegal immigrants. Ice is NOT trained in crowd control. That is not part of its mission. The local governments by withholding police to control the street and keep protesters from the federal officers are derelict in their duty. At this point knowing that the local government will withhold police means the federal government, is also derelict in its duty. It must provide ICE with police protection.

The people who are confronting ICE physically are not protesters. They are not exercising first amendment rights. They are committing criminal acts. Protesting would involve standing 100 yards away and holding signs and chanting. This is most certainly not what is happening. The people they are protecting are not innocent Jews being hounded by Nazis. They are not innocent black people being menaced by the KKK. They are at best people with no legal right to be here and at worst, convicted criminals, some dangerous.

The local governments that are both allowing this kind of potentially violent obstruction both by withholding crowd control and by issuing incendiary rhetoric are morally if not legally complict in all of this. The private radical organizations that are funding these things are looking for violence and they are using potentially well meaning people and in some cases troubled people as bait.

In places where local authorities provide crowd control, nobody is dying.

This is reality and if it is not acknowledged there is no common language to discuss next steps.

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